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It is nothing short of disrespectful to have restrictions on member privileges and not to have such restrictions clearly outlined in either a pre-registration document, or an easy to see post here on the forum after a member has completed the registration process and logged on the first time.
My suggestion is that the situation be rectified at the earliet possible date.
If it is not my next text generated on this matter will be in the form of correspondence to not only the owner or owners of this website, albeit international mail, but also to the necessary official in Sacramento stipulating that this sort of corporate governance is not in keeping with the high standards of the State of California.
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Rules Need to Be Posted
Rules Need to Be Posted
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Re: Rules Need to Be Posted
ManyQ's,
Can you be more specific as to what "membership privileges" you mean? We screen the first several posts from new members so that we're all not buried in forum spam.
Can you be more specific as to what "membership privileges" you mean? We screen the first several posts from new members so that we're all not buried in forum spam.
Re: Rules Need to Be Posted
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I'd be quite happy to, CrispCritters, but I feel I should first apologize for the less than congenial tone of my first post. I seem to recall I was in the middle of some troubleshooting on my own site and rushed that post you were very kind to let pass Post Moderation. Sorry about that.
I view "restrictions on member privileges" as any restriction placed on a member beyond what is considered industry-standard privileges. And I guess that in itself requires explanation. Excuse me for getting verbose here.
Most boards/forums such as this do not set Post Moderation by default. It is a given on most sites that have a forum that Post Moderation is used when a member has clearly shown some malicious intent or has shown himself/herself to be impolite or not willing to comply with the rules or ToS. We agree to the ToS so is seems appropriate to view us as responsible until proven irresponsible. Something like the innocent until proven guilty idea.
But on this board new members (or all members) are placed on Post Moderation from the get-go.
For those that are not familiar with this "Post Moderation" I am referring to it is a Moderator's tool in the software here that allows/requires a Moderator to approve a member's post. It is not a tool that is usually used by default, so I believe that most people who are veterans of forums in general view it as a basic privilege to be able to post a message without interference, if we follow the rules or ToS.
Of course, there are some sites that are just like this one that require a member's post to be approved, but then usual "Forum Etiquette" stipulates (again, industry standard) that this restriction related to posting is announced to new members in some manner ― usually during the registration process so that if a member feels that is too restrictive, and many do, then they simply abort the registration.
If the Post Moderation requirement isn't included in some pre-registration document, then a post/forum with an appropriately clear title prominently displayed somewhere on the index page is considered a courtesy.
Anything that let's us know that Post Moderation is the standard on this board and for how long Post Moderation is in effect would seem appropriate. That seems the least an administrator should do. Veterans understand that some boards are stricter than others and we also know that is definitlely your right; your privilege, if you wiil, as the Founder or User Admin, if the Founder has mandated such.
What veterans are surprised about is when it happens and there was no warning at all it was going to happen. A website like this is more likely to draw in veterans than new folks to the Net, because a lot of new folks really don't yet know the ins-and-outs of what IP addresses are all about. But that's just an opinion, and means little. Could very well be wrong.
The other privilege I noted in my post and what prompted my post was that PM business. Clearly that is another method used to stop Spammers, but it is, again, something that is not very common and isn't expected, unless some documentation some place on the board or during the registration process warns us.
It just seems like a respectful thing to do to let us know you folks running this site wish to place some restrictions upon us. Every site I ran as a User Admin was such and it's a habit (good one, in my view) that I have carried with me into ownership. It's nothing new. I started as a User Admin quite a few years ago.
Okay, back to this site, are there other restrictions? And how long are these restrictions in place?
You can see here that I still have questions that I didn't cover in that rather impolite OP.
Well, this has already gotten way too long, but I hope you understand where I'm coming from, CrispCritters. I'm not questioning the Founder's right to have these restrictions in place, for however long they last, but I do question the respect somebody is showing when they invite me into their place of business but don't inform me that I can't do this or that which I would usually take for granted that I could do. A brick-and-mortar example escapes me right now, but this is already too long, anyway.
And thank you for letting this be aired out on the board.
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I'd be quite happy to, CrispCritters, but I feel I should first apologize for the less than congenial tone of my first post. I seem to recall I was in the middle of some troubleshooting on my own site and rushed that post you were very kind to let pass Post Moderation. Sorry about that.
I view "restrictions on member privileges" as any restriction placed on a member beyond what is considered industry-standard privileges. And I guess that in itself requires explanation. Excuse me for getting verbose here.
Most boards/forums such as this do not set Post Moderation by default. It is a given on most sites that have a forum that Post Moderation is used when a member has clearly shown some malicious intent or has shown himself/herself to be impolite or not willing to comply with the rules or ToS. We agree to the ToS so is seems appropriate to view us as responsible until proven irresponsible. Something like the innocent until proven guilty idea.
But on this board new members (or all members) are placed on Post Moderation from the get-go.
For those that are not familiar with this "Post Moderation" I am referring to it is a Moderator's tool in the software here that allows/requires a Moderator to approve a member's post. It is not a tool that is usually used by default, so I believe that most people who are veterans of forums in general view it as a basic privilege to be able to post a message without interference, if we follow the rules or ToS.
Of course, there are some sites that are just like this one that require a member's post to be approved, but then usual "Forum Etiquette" stipulates (again, industry standard) that this restriction related to posting is announced to new members in some manner ― usually during the registration process so that if a member feels that is too restrictive, and many do, then they simply abort the registration.
If the Post Moderation requirement isn't included in some pre-registration document, then a post/forum with an appropriately clear title prominently displayed somewhere on the index page is considered a courtesy.
Anything that let's us know that Post Moderation is the standard on this board and for how long Post Moderation is in effect would seem appropriate. That seems the least an administrator should do. Veterans understand that some boards are stricter than others and we also know that is definitlely your right; your privilege, if you wiil, as the Founder or User Admin, if the Founder has mandated such.
What veterans are surprised about is when it happens and there was no warning at all it was going to happen. A website like this is more likely to draw in veterans than new folks to the Net, because a lot of new folks really don't yet know the ins-and-outs of what IP addresses are all about. But that's just an opinion, and means little. Could very well be wrong.
The other privilege I noted in my post and what prompted my post was that PM business. Clearly that is another method used to stop Spammers, but it is, again, something that is not very common and isn't expected, unless some documentation some place on the board or during the registration process warns us.
It just seems like a respectful thing to do to let us know you folks running this site wish to place some restrictions upon us. Every site I ran as a User Admin was such and it's a habit (good one, in my view) that I have carried with me into ownership. It's nothing new. I started as a User Admin quite a few years ago.
Okay, back to this site, are there other restrictions? And how long are these restrictions in place?
You can see here that I still have questions that I didn't cover in that rather impolite OP.
Well, this has already gotten way too long, but I hope you understand where I'm coming from, CrispCritters. I'm not questioning the Founder's right to have these restrictions in place, for however long they last, but I do question the respect somebody is showing when they invite me into their place of business but don't inform me that I can't do this or that which I would usually take for granted that I could do. A brick-and-mortar example escapes me right now, but this is already too long, anyway.
And thank you for letting this be aired out on the board.
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Re: Rules Need to Be Posted
I can understand where you are coming from, but at the same time I think the way it’s been planned out and works is great, I think after the first few posts the forum bored gets to know if that user is trustworthy or not. I run my own forums too and have always had problems with spammers and or trouble makers but this way the administrators are able to control that a little bit better.
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Re: Rules Need to Be Posted
ManyQs,
I totally understand where you are coming from and making appropriate changes to the page the user agrees to when setting up an account makes sense.
The limitations were put into place based on the 10 year history of this site. As time has gone by forum spammers have become more and more aggressive in their attempts to get their links into our forums.
We'll reconsider the minimum number of posts before manual moderation not required.
I totally understand where you are coming from and making appropriate changes to the page the user agrees to when setting up an account makes sense.
The limitations were put into place based on the 10 year history of this site. As time has gone by forum spammers have become more and more aggressive in their attempts to get their links into our forums.
We'll reconsider the minimum number of posts before manual moderation not required.